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my name is George Knapp I'm a journalist

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at Kas unlike this these guys here my

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connection to the topic of area 51 is a

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little more tenuous I have never been

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inside the place I will never be allowed

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to get inside the place but I'll tell

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you I've been writing about it since

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1985 I've spent I have been inside but

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I've spent more days and nights outside

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hearing in than you can ever you can

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imagine trying to dodge security and

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coyotes and whatever else is out there

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and you know when I die I'm sure that

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this will be somehow area 51 will be

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part of my obituary along with tales of

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various debauchery and other things like

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that this is a panel of extraordinary

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people united by their interest in and

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involvement with the most extraordinary

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place as we all know a place it you know

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it's sort of a contradiction in terms

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that is the world's best-known secret

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military base kind of the rock star of

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the off-the-grid testing facilities it's

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a place with no name and a place with a

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whole lot of needs

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you know paradise ranch the Box a

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Watertown area 51 Dream Land or the

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current official name very catchy in my

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opinion an operating location near groom

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lake but put that on a bumper sticker or

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a t-shirt

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area 51 as we all know has been shrouded

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in secrecy some would argue too much

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secrecy and the cone of silence that was

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sort of dropped over the base at least

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for a while has been a contributing

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factor to all kinds of wild stories that

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have cropped up most of which I have

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reported at one time or another so

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tonight we'll talk about secrecy a

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little bit how and why secrets are kept

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about some of the steps that are taken

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to ensure that secrets were and still

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are being kept and we'll talk about the

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steps that have been taken to lift the

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veil to allow the public to finally know

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we did not talk about a lot of things if

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we're not during that period but during

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that period the technology vans from

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Spain and Aeronautics Electronics

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stealth and so on

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where's the most advanced our effort one

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I really appreciate you guys coming

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forward and talking about all this it's

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fascinating so as one of the

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highest-ranking CIA officials out at

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area 51 during a very exciting time it

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sounds like

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are you aware of a facility or

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facilities on or near Nellis range

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not aware of it well that's four

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you ever heard of an s4 at Tonopah there

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is a slant for a total fat estimate

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which by the way I talked about tells

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grant his question in some of the

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Department of Energy talked books as

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area 52 so that that would explain the

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public acknowledgment from information

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officer in 1989 when a well-known

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journalist called and asked about a

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facility called ask for they were

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probably referring to the one in Tonopah

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and are there multiple or single s fours

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thank you very much fascinating so the

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last question is for dr. Rob Roy Barnes

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just a personal curiosity I get to ask

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that you know weird questions so as the

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chief historians of CIA are you aware of

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in 1971 the Department of Defense asked

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for produced and publicly funded a

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feature film titled UFOs past present

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and future where was admitted on camera

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by high ranking officials in the

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military that UFOs as far as they could

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tell were of non terrestrial origin are

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you aware of that film and the funding

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of it by the Department of Defense in

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1971 not afraid not it so we have no say

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in it so the CIA is no longer studying

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the UFO phenomenon or they are they're

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not officially right now studying the

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UFO phenomena thank you else anything

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else for a battle I mean secrets can be

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kept reading

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we hear this Washington leaks like a

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sieve there's no such thing as a secret

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secrets can't be kept again kid